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  • iStudentUK
    Apr 10, 01:17 PM
    To get 2 requires you to make assumptions about the equation. If you make no assumptions and simply apply the rules then you get 288

    No matter what you do you have to make an assumption as to what "/" means. Nobody over the age of 10 should be using that notation for this exact reason.

    Therefore, assume that author wanted to use "_" but couldn't as this is a forum not suited to equation writing and work from there. I believe the logical conclusion is 288, but that is not the same as saying the answer is 288.





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  • islanders
    Jul 23, 11:36 PM
    You missed my entire point - Apple can't put off updates just because "sales are strong." The "other guys" (Dell, HP, Sony, etc.) upgrade to new technology as soon as they can ramp up production, and Apple won't be, and can't be, "late to the dance" with technology that they all have simultaneous access to. Particularly CPU's. Graphics chips .... well, there they may fudge a bit, especially with 2 brands to select from, but not processor upgrades.

    There's no way we'll wait until "November/December," unless Intel fails to deliver Merom, as predicted. If any laptops have Merom sooner, so will Apple.

    :cool:

    iBorg






    I think you have a reluctance to find some common ground, as was suggested in my previous post.

    I said November.

    You said �September Maybe.�

    Which leaves August unlikely, and December pushing it.

    However I will stand by my original post, that if I was planning to upgrade to a MBP Merom, I would be prepared to wait until December. As most experts have predicted a switch before the new year.

    Otherwise I think everyone understands both schools of thought here, which have already been suggested numerous times in previous post.

    Although, I think Apple will hurt themselves more in the long run if they announce an update and can�t meet demand.

    :cool:





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  • chaosbringer
    Apr 22, 07:31 AM
    Some designs changes i'd like to see (all the rest i'm fine with):

    - Dust filters
    - Thunderbolt ports, front and back (instead of one of the firewire ports)
    - Usb 3.0 replacing usb 2.0 ports
    - PSU on bottom to keep it cool
    - HD's on bottom to keep them cool too
    - At least one dedicated SSD bay





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  • Boomchukalaka
    Apr 7, 02:10 PM
    All hail Tim Cook!

    Seriously though, I think people are going to be surprised at how well RIM rebounds. Not that they are going to stop or even slow the iPad or iPhone train, but I will surprised if they don't carve themselves out a pretty good niche.

    They're a much more resilient company than that for which they are given credit. Do some serious research into the company as though you were looking to invest, and you'll find out that they got a little too complacent for a time, but they have some vision that will surprise people in the coming years.

    Seriously? A company with 2 CEO's and 3 COO's is not well structured or well managed. A company who has just downgraded earning expectations for the coming quarter is not well managed. A company whose stock price has crashed by more than 50 % in the last 18 months and is hoping that a new product that has been announced over 8 months ago, yet appears to be rushed to market and as it relies on another product to give it 3G connectivity has neither a product nor is a company with vision.





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  • munkery
    Nov 2, 03:07 PM
    ClamXAV is free and it's pretty good if you think you need it. Plus it's open source (I think).

    ClamXav also is much lighter on system resources because it does not have real-time scanning.

    It real-time scans emails (optional) and the specific folders you tell the sentry to watch; both via resource friendly daemons that launch ClamXav in the background when they detect changes in those areas. It does not real-time scan exhaustively (running processes & entire filesystem) but, at this point in time, this level of real-time scanning is not required on Macs.

    The benefit of the lack of true real-time scanning is much less resource consumption.

    EDIT: To clarify, email scanning needs to be set up with the Sentry. The option to scan email in the preferences is an option to scan the contents of mbox folders as individual items; not an option to real-time scan email. Add ~/Library/Mail and ~/Library/ Mail Downloads to real-time scan email for Mail.app.





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  • ender land
    Apr 10, 08:17 AM
    48/2(9+3)

    There is implied multiplication between the 2 and the (9+3) term, meaning the equation effectively looks like

    48/2*(9+3)

    This is quite obviously 288.

    I agree too this is a stupid question, it's akin to asking someone verbally "what does 'their' mean?" because the choice of "their" vs "they're" is not clear.

    If there was a space, such that it said

    48/ 2*(9+3)

    then I could see an argument for it being 2, but as it stands, there is no reason you should ever find this equation to be equal to 2.





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  • kallaway1
    Aug 3, 11:20 PM
    are people not expecting merom to go immediately into the macbook as well? i don't see a reason for apple to purposely gimp their best-selling notebook when a merom chip is supposed to cost the same as its yonah counterpart.





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  • wordoflife
    Apr 9, 09:21 PM
    PEMDAS... First time ever that I hear of it.
    I did no go to school in the US.

    So.. if the priorities are Parenthesis, then Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition and lastly Substraction, using your rule:

    48/2(9+3)
    First whatever is inside the Parenthesis: 9+3=12

    48/2(12)

    Then Exponent: none

    Then Multiplication: 2(12) = 24
    Then Division: 48/24 = 2

    There you go...PEMDAS fans.

    No. That's not how it works. Once you get to multiplication/division, you go left to right. It's 288. And for those of you who get 2 by using calculators, any math teacher will tell you that calculators always get the rules of operations wrong. That's why we teach kids pemdas so they know what math to do first and they can use the calculators to help them do the parts of the equation they need help with.

    Precisely

    The answer is 2, not 288 (it can't be that)

    Following PEMDAS (Parenthesis, Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction):

    9+3=12
    12*2=24
    48/24=2

    2 is the final answer.

    As I stated above, you are missing an Important rule of pemdas. When you get to multiplication/division or addition/subtraction, you go left to right. So: 48/2 is 24. And 24 *12 is 288. If u don't believe me, just google pemdas and u get the rules:

    http://www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-pemdas.html

    Mac'nCheese: I think that in elementary school you first learn to multiply and then to divide. So first you multiply and then you divide.

    That left to right rule is not following the order of the letters.
    So for this case it is not PEMDAS but PEDMAS...

    The Arabs give us the numbers that we use nowadays, and they do write from right to left.

    So your math teacher is telling us that Mac OS X is giving us a wrong answer...You might need to watch waiting for Superman.

    MacnCheese is correct
    PEMDAS is more like this. PEMDAS isn't really an accurate name, but it helps remember the basic order.
    1) Parenthesis
    2) Exponents
    3) Multiplication or division ... going from left to right
    4) addition or subtraction ... going from left to right.

    48/2(9+3)


    =48/2(12) or 48/2 * 12
    (by parenthesis)

    No exponents

    No addition or subtraction

    =24(12)
    (by multiplication or division from left to right)

    =288
    (by multiplication or division from left to right ... again)

    288 is the answer. There is no way you can get 2 by following the order of operations.
    And people should know better than putting a whole equation into a calculator and depending on that answer ... (spotlight, google, calculator)





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  • Don't panic
    Apr 10, 10:58 AM
    I got 42.





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  • BlizzardBomb
    Jul 22, 05:42 AM
    Isn't the Conroe cheaper than the mobility line of chips? Plus they deliver a lot more performance too!

    Yes and yes.





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  • DotCom2
    Mar 28, 11:04 AM
    This is all making sense to me now.
    When they said that a white iPhone 4 would come out in the Spring. I thought to myself, why in the world would they release a white iP4 this late in the cycle when the iPhone 5 would be out in just a couple more months???
    Why you ask? BECAUSE THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE AN IPHONE 5 THIS YEAR!
    THAT'S WHY!
    OMG!
    I'm on a 3GS and have been waiting for iP5 to upgrade! :mad::mad::mad:





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  • emotion
    Aug 2, 11:00 AM
    Apple's been so boring this year, with a bluetooth might mouse just about the most exciting release thus far...

    You're kidding right...MBP, MB and Mac Minis have all come out this year!





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  • StayingOccupied
    Apr 21, 02:49 PM
    Cube!





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  • cyberdogl2
    Aug 11, 05:25 PM
    I'm definitely holding out for Merom now since it seems like it's coming within the month. Customers Christmas shopping will compare laptops across all brands and if Apple isn't sporting a Merom they're gonna lose a lot of laptop sales. And I'm willing to wait since OS X 10.5 is even more 64-bit than 10.4 is, I'd be nice to have a 64-bit processor instead of a 32-bit processor running a 64-bit OS (yes i know 10.5 will run on 32-bit processors), although the overall benefits are up to discussion.

    So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna buy the memory today (long story I have to spend within the week 200 dollars store credit at CompUSA) and put it in the Macbook when I get it, hopefully within the month.

    I'm correct in assuming that Yonah and Merom takes the EXACT same type/speed of ram right?





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  • Stridder44
    May 6, 01:18 AM
    No way. Intel is fantastic, their CPUs are nearly unmatched, and while Intel itself can be finicky sometimes, it's not worth the headache of transitioning again. Not unless ARM has some amazing crap up it's sleeve that will de-rail all of Intel's market share. This rumor makes sense on some low end laptops, maybe, but the entire lineup? Hell no. Plus I've gotten used to being able to run Windows in Boot Camp.

    It's taken Apple over a decade to get where we are now. Why would they throw all that away? Not to mention that ARM has absolutely nothing that comes even slightly close to even mid-range Intel chips. And even in two years time, I'm very doubtful.





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  • JD914
    Mar 26, 11:38 PM
    I'm going to laugh at all those who say iOS 5 wont be delayed when it actually will be :rolleyes:





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  • McGiord
    Apr 10, 06:20 PM
    Just gave the problem to my 12 year old brother. Yup, its 288. To all you people who still believe it's 2, I hope you don't deal with math a lot in your careers. It might also be a good idea for you to hire somebody else to do your taxes ;)

    So he is the man. Does he do your taxes?:D





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  • mikeapple
    Apr 5, 01:40 PM
    Toyota is not obligated to do anything... BUT i doubt they want to burn any bridges with the most innovative and powerful tech company on the planet...

    If I was Toyota, I'd be honored to get a call from Apple... surely anyone can make a jailbreak theme, but it takes being close with another company for them to be asked to take it down.





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  • AppleKrate
    Sep 16, 12:03 PM
    I think if you risk it, they may let you keep the premiums. I forgot about the deadline today. That would indicate they may announce the new MBPs Tuesday as others have predicted already according to the student Free iPod offer deadline. Thanks for the reminder and good luck.

    Limey iPod deal ends October 7th :D http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore





    McGiord
    Apr 10, 05:17 PM
    Agreed. Anyhow, writing math with ascii characters sucks, however you put. Most people who aren't used to see math in ascii see / as a ______ and not as a direct translation of � or (...)^-1. Other than the people who blindly follow PEMDAS and think multiplication has a precedence over division, like our lovely math teacher did a couple posts above, I think the poll would tend a lot more towards 288 if the question was posted with TeX (or another proper form).

    I think this poll has more to do with how bad math can be written in plain characters than it has to do with the average person's understanding of math. Hey, I got it right, but I spend a lot of time using math and do see it a lot in plain characters, but I know most people aren't engineering students.

    Well Paolo, what is your answer?





    jericho878
    Sep 15, 04:32 PM
    2.16 and 2.33 Merom options
    Magnetic latch
    MacBook style keyboard
    New video card (Nvidia?)
    160GB hard drive option

    IMO, these are the least that Apple can do to keep up with other high performance notebooks in the market. I think new MBP's will arrive one the same day as Photokina although they may not be highlighted at the event.





    DeSnousa
    Sep 10, 11:18 PM
    Wow! What kind of slow-ass lines do you people in Australia have to suffer with?

    Thats ridiculously slow. :(

    Mine connection would take around 14 hours, but we have adsl 2+ now which is up to 24mb/sec. Can't wait to upgrade :cool:

    This movie store is all exciting and all, but with out world stores, it will be the US who will be enjoying it :(





    mcrain
    Apr 15, 01:43 PM
    I hate to pull this card, but my livelihood depends on trading and investing. I'm a small time player, so I can't afford to make mistakes. I have over 95% of my money "in the game" at any time. I can tell you that based on my experience, most of what you described simply isn't true. I don't know how else to say it. If I tried to respond point by point, it would take all day to explain all the concepts clearly.

    Which "game"? Are you "trading and investing" in companies by purchasing shares in IPOs, or are you "trading and investing" on Wall St.? If it is the latter, then basically you are buying and selling ownership interests in companies, which has almost no affect on underlying companies.

    Won't higher capital gains reduce your "take home" earned from trading in the secondary market? If so, don't hedge funds and the like start investing in more risk taking?

    Higher taxes does not spur innovation. If anything, it would spur more risk taking because hedge fund and the like would have to make up for that difference in revenue.

    What do you think is/was the riskier investment? Investing in GE or investing in a start-up like Google? Innovation? I'm fairly certain buying 100 shares of GE from my broker didn't innovate a new lightbulb, but Google has innovated and expanded with the capital it received in its IPO. If you are trying to increase your rate of return over what you get from your GE shares, would you invest in AT&T or a little start-up called Chef John Smith, Inc. because you think he's an up and coming talent? One has a big upside, but also a lot of risk.

    If the goal is to increase rate of return of an investment portfolio, your only choices are to be better at picking good stocks, or to invest in risker investments. Wouldn't that lead to an influx of start-up capital, innovation, hiring, and economic growth?

    On the other hand, you can lower capital gains and encourage people to invest conservatively in the secondary market.





    aliveandknowsit
    Apr 26, 03:54 PM
    I've watched Apple go from "outsider" to The Big Heavy in The Room, innovating about as quickly as a battleship takes to turn around, focusing on beauty, beauty, beauty as Android allowed its system to be used in some butt-ugly phones that -- hey! -- actually seemed to work pretty well, to the point where they are refined to become exciting looking, versatile systems that JUST GET THINGS DONE. The iPhone has become a Thin Fashion Model, and we are all just paparazzi awaiting her entrance/exit at Cannes each year (San Francisco). I've had it, and will be happy to pick up a great Android system phone this year on Verizon. (Oh yes, and MobileMe was a total bust; after upgrading it wouldn't pick up my contacts anymore....)